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#1 Jan-06-2009 01:36:pm

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Continued Harrassment of Piscataway Indian Nation

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Harrassment of Piscataway Indian Nation in Md

A Green Party member who is part Louisiana Choctaw forwarded the alert below, which may be of interest to Greens in the Pennsylvania, Maryland, and DC areas. He adds:

"It's about how Cointelpro-type agents are harrassing the leaders of the Piscataway Indian Nation in Southern Maryland near Washington DC. The leaders of the Piscataway Indian Nation are Chief Billy Tayac and his niece Gabrielle Tayacs. Both Billy and Gabrielle founded LISN (The League of Indigenous Sovereign Nations) an organization who's purpose is to get a seat on the UN for every Native Tribe on Continents of North America, South America and probably the Carribbean too.

This [is] part of the reason Cointelpro type agents are harrassing them. The other reason is that they are trying to stop Maryland from officially recognizing them as a Native American tribe, so that Racist Old Money White families can get thier hands on Piscataway Land.

The Maryland Commission on Indian affairs has recommended Maryland recognize them after an ehaustive review of the data. The Maryland Legislature passed a bill recognizing them back in 03, but unfortunately the Governor of Maryland vetoed it. Probably to help those Racist Old Money White families. If they got State recognition it could be used as evidence they should get Federal Recognition, which means they get a reservation. Which means the Old money White families will never get their hands on it. The Piscataways are not interested in a casino. They simply want justice after 300 years of injustice. Most Piscataways were forced to leave Maryland in 1697, they are descended from the few who hid out in Zechiria Swamp(im not sure of the spelling) and other places in Southern Maryland to survive in thier Homeland."

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The Piscataway Nation and Tayac Territory

Urgent COINTELPRO Provocateur ALERT
http://www.piscataw aynation. org/alert. htm

Recently there has been an unprecedented Cointelpro-type attack on the Tayac family. The attack is being coordinated by Janet Cavallo of Philadelphia and Matt Menier, AKA Matt Hill, AKA GoodLeaf, AKA Kenarahdijoh and his wannabe wife, Dawn Devere, AKA Dawn Hill. His real name is Matt Menier, but uses his mother's Mohawk last name which is Hill, and has hidden that fact for over 10 years.

For the last three decades, whenever a major native incident has occurred, the Tayac family has worked diligently with the native people here in Washington, DC, and has coordinated same day support action in Central America, South America, Canada, and Europe. Wounded Knee, Ganienkeh, the Salvadorian Massacres, Oka, Big Mountain, and Gustafsen Lake are a few examples of the Tayac family dedication to the Native struggle.

Janet Cavallo is known as a person who causes dissension and chaos in Philadelphia. Menier and his wife have used his brother's reputation to infiltrate the Indian Movement. He has been suspected and accused of embezelling LISN funds by many long-time activists, when Menier operated the NYC office Dawn Devere came onto the scene in the 1990's as a white woman that wanted an Indian man. She later claimed to be Ojibwa and at other times, a Kickapoo Indian. Both Menier and his wife worked at the Buffalo Indian Center, and left under a cloud of suspicion. The people in Tayac Territory respected that she was the companion of Menier but the LISN people never accepted her as an Indian.

The Tayac family has a longstanding friendly relationship with John Hill, AKA Dacajewiah (Splitting the Sky) and this is the basis for the acceptance of his half-brother, Menier.

In Mashpee, MA at the LISN conference, a communication division of LISN was established, and within 90 days, a rivalry began between Jason Corwin, and Menier and his wife who was not a member of the LISN communication division. Menier and his wife created a web site for LISN and later acted like the LISN web site belongs solely to them. Janet Cavallo, a non-Indian ally of LISN, began to work with Jason Corwin on the production of the Chief Turkey Tayac film, "The Flickering Flame." Janet, an older woman, became infatuated with the younger Jason Corwin, and when she discovered that Jason was in a relationship with a woman, she became insanely jealous. She started to correspond with the Meniers, and became a "Tayac hater," because the Tayacs's would not turn on Jason.

While this was occurring, a racist anti-Indian student by the name of Thomas Ford Brown was hired by certain persons to discredit the Tayac family. He composed his propaganda and placed it on the Internet. Menier and his wife, seeing it, began their Cointelpro-type activities by distributing Brown's racist paper everywhere possible, in an effort to destroy the reputation of the Tayac Family.

The Tayacs received an urgent appeal for Chief Esquino in El Salvador seeking immediate aid and assistance for 400 native families that were homeless because of the earthquake. The CONAIE organization of Equiador also requested assistance in posting information on the LISN web site about the imprisonment and shooting of Native people in Equaidor. Menier and his wife ignored both requests.

Billy Tayac had requested the access codes for the LISN web site on many occasions from Menier and his wife, because they were not keeping the LISN site updated. Menier told another LISN member, Ben Carnes, that he would give Billy the codes. After many emails and phone calls, Menier finally telephoned the Tayacs and informed them that the LISN site had been taken down. Upon investigation, it was discovered that Menier and his wife and ordered the LISN site down.

The alliance between Menier, his wife, Janet Cavallo and Thomas Brown has intensified recently with the addition of Linda Lemonde AKA Ishgodda of NativeNews. Lemonde lives in Michigan and is an unrecognized non-enrolled Wyandot Indian. Due to her friendship with Menier's wife, she has joined the Cointelpro-type conspiracy, unwittingly or knowingly, and posted links to the Brown's anti-Tayac material found on the Internet. She has been previously suspected of disseminating misinformation and Cointelpro-like propaganda on Native people. Thomas Brown, the author of the smear paper, typifies the Cointelpro actions of earlier years. He has neither credibility nor credentials, and cites other racist authors, including himself.

These are non-Indians trying to define who is an Indian. The Tayac family has put their lives on the line many times with the Native struggles in this hemisphere. Isn't it time that native people define themselves, and not be defined by outsiders who disseminate lies and distortions?

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#2 Jan-17-2009 10:36:pm

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Re: Continued Harrassment of Piscataway Indian Nation

Gabby Tayac is one of the smartest people I ever met. She'll hopefully beat em.


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#3 Jan-07-2013 10:33:am

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#4 Jan-07-2013 11:07:am

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I guess this is as good a spot as any to post this:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14131487/Hist_P … 734_03.pdf

It should be pointed out that Leah C. Sims is Thomas Brown's wife.  Brown believes strongly in the administrative BAR/BIA process of recognition.  His faith in that process is misplaced, sometimes, in my opinion.  For instance, he felt they did a good job of researching the Ramapough petitions.  I have read both those findings and the great majority of documentary evidence I posted at this forum (and more, besides) was NOT found by either the BAR genealogist nor their historian nor their anthropologist.  So, while Brown's and Sims' own research looks solid--and must be answered point-by-point, instead of with charges of "racism"--Brown's own reliance on the BAR/BIA exhibits no more than blind faith.  Finally, this Sims paper must be accepted as close to the truth as one can get through documentary research, if no serious reply is given to it.  Are the Tayacs American Indians?  Maybe.  Modern DNA testing could verify this.  Is their family history accurate?  I don't see how, after reading this.

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#5 Jan-07-2013 11:27:am

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I intended to add more than just bumping this, thank you for beating me to it. I have yet to find a direct rebuttal to Sims' paper. IF one exists, I imagine it would be along the same lines as this original post here. Sorry for the long c/p but things seem to disappear a lot
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There is also this rebuttal to Brown here:  http://www.piscatawaynation.org/archive/rebuttal.htm



Rebuttal of the Thomas Ford Brown Paper
Ethnic Identity Movements and the Legal Process: The Piscataway Renascence, 1974-2000

The following information is provided in rebuttal of statements made throughout Brown's paper, as posted on the Johns Hopkins University website:

Introduction

Page 3, paragraph 7 - The Wesorts did not organize as Piscataway-Conoy Indians in the 1970's. Rather, that was the name of the non-profit organization that was incorporated in 1974 by Billy Tayac, Chief Turkey Tayac, and Avery Lewis, a Pima Indian. The title of the corporation was suggested by Claudia Newooski, an Indian woman who worked for the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). At a social in Avery Lewis' home, during a discussion about forming a non-profit organization called Piscataway Indians Incorporated, Claudia, knowing of some Indian land claims that Turkey had in Pennsylvania, where the Piscataway were known as the Conoy, suggested "Piscataway-Conoy Indians Incorporated". There were no Wesorts involved in this process.

Social Origins of the Contemporary Piscataway

Pages 3 - 4 - Here, Brown begins his theory of the Social Origins of the Contemporary Piscataway He begins to call the "Wesorts" Piscataway. The Wesorts never identified as Piscataway until 1974, and at that time there were only three families . Moreover, not everyone in those three families claimed to be Piscataway or even claimed to be Indian. They were never a part of the tribe, but were a part of the Indian Center and the non-profit organization "Piscataway-Conoy Indians Incorporated". They were never on the tribal rolls. In fact, when they asked to be enrolled, but could produce no documentation, a lot of fighting and arguing began which dissolved the incorporation. The whole project of resurrecting Indians in Maryland lasted only 3 ½ years and included all Indians in Maryland. The Board of Directors was established because of a United Way grant. The Board had to be composed of members of the business community, the Indian community, and the non-Indian community. Hugh Proctor was president of the Board of Directors to administer the Indian Center and the grants. Proctor did not come on the scene until after the Center was opened and he came as a volunteer, not a tribal member or an Indian.

Page 4, paragraph 2 - Brown once again tries to confuse the reader with the use of the words "Piscataway/Wesort". As the rest of the paper deals only with the Wesorts, and neither Turkey Tayac nor any of his family identified themselves as Wesorts, we do not feel qualified to respond to their history or their claims of Wesort identity.

Pages 4 - 5 - Brown uses the outdated terminology of "interracial bastardy". In fact, on pages 4 and 5 he uses the word "bastard" in some form 18 times and the term "salt-water Negro" twice.

Genesis of the Piscataway Movement

Page 7, last paragraph; page 8, paragraphs 1;7 - Brown refers to Turkey's parents as the illegitimate children of white men and their mulatta mistresses, in an attempt to degrade the Collins women. The Collins women have more claim to Piscataway Indian status than any of the Wesorts, which is why the Wesorts a.k.a. Piscataway- Conoy Confederacy and Subtribes, Inc. (PCCS) are so quick to say they don't recognize the Collins women as Indians. Brown goes on to say that Turkey "grew up in a poor family with a heritage of interracial bastardy, during an era when the Jim Crow racist regime was at its apogee in Southern Maryland." First, Louis and Jenny, Turkey's parents owned their own farm, and had a clear title with no liens in 1900. Further, Brown presumes that the community Turkey lived in was aware of anybody's parentage not being legitimate. There was illegitimacy among the "white planter elite" as well as among people of color.

Page 8, paragraph 2 - Once again Mr. Brown tries to connect Turkey to the Wesorts. He states that Turkey "became the first vocally Indian leader among the Wesorts." In fact, Turkey became the Piscataway Chief, not the Wesort Chief. In paragraph 3 Brown goes on to state that Turkey had three wives. Once again, Brown did not do his research. Turkey had only two wives. When a third woman appeared to claim a part of his estate, it was proven that she was a fraud and had at least 23 other men's estates. Her claim was dismissed as a fraudulent claim. Neither of Turkey's two wives were Wesorts nor was Turkey.

Page 8, paragraph 5 - Brown notes that "one scholar observed wryly that Philip's reputation was such that 'one should count one's fingers after shaking hands with him'." Brown does not reveal the name of his so-called scholar, yet states the name and year of two others cited in the same paragraph.

Pages 8 -9, paragraph 1 - Brown is still trying to label Turkey a Wesort and still trying to diminish Turkey and to downplay his family's stature by calling him a person of low self esteem and by concluding that his family was of a low social status. Brown presents no documentation to substantiate these conclusions. In fact, the records reveal that Turkey's family was financially equal with their neighbors of all races. Brown states that "at least five of Turkey's own children appear to have married out of the Wesort deme." In fact, all of Turkey's children married non-Wesorts as did Turkey. Brown's attempts to link Turkey to the Wesorts is denied by them as well.

Piscataway Unity and Early Success

Page 9, paragraphs 6 - 7 - Brown again makes a totally false accusation about an event that occurred in Piscataway National Park, that public records (if he had bothered to check) would have substantiated. Brown alleges that in 1974, "Turkey and Billy were at an archeological site in the park, picking over pipe shards and other fragments." When they refused a park ranger's request to put down the pieces, "the ranger called for back up, and the Tayac's eventually agreed to leave upon the artifacts being impounded. With his characteristic bluster, Billy Tayac would later represent the dispute in the news media as an 90-minute armed stand-off pitting the Piscataway (Billy and his 81 year old father) against several patrol cars and an Army helicopter supposedly disgorging 'eight combat-armed soldiers'." Once again Mr. Brown did not check his facts. It is a blatant distortion of an event that would have been easily verified by public records which for some reason Brown totally ignores. There was an armed helicopter from Fort Belvoir, the state police, as well as county police, and park police - easy enough to check. He also has the number of people present incorrect. Billy Tayac had his son as well as Turkey with him and Avery Lewis, and his son Jeremy. So, once again Brown has misrepresented the facts.

Page 9, paragraph 2 - This is supposed to be an academic paper, yet Brown has consistently twisted the facts; has made statements he attributes to unnamed sources; he calls Billy Tayac "Billy" as if he knows him, yet Billy Tayac has never met him. For example on page 9, in paragraph 2, he states that "Billy had been radicalized by his participation in the American Indian Movement ." "Billy became involved in AIM. in 1969." "Billy's early public pronouncements...." All of these statements give the reader the impression that he personally knows Billy Tayac when, in fact, he has never personally met Billy Tayac.

Page 11, paragraph 6 - Turkey Tayac and Dr. William H. Gilbert, renowned expert on Eastern Native Americans worked with Native Americans in North Carolina and Virginia. They saw the success with Indian schools and tried to establish them in Maryland. However, Daniel Proctor's family said that they weren't Indians and told Chief Turkey and Dr. Gilbert to leave.

Page 11, paragraph 7 - Chief Turkey spoke at many meetings and one does not tell a Chief to sit down!

Page 11, paragraph 8 - The tribe was already established, but the Piscataway Indians, Inc. was established on June 25, 1974. Not one Wesort was involved in the endeavor.

Billy Tayac's family moved to Port Tobacco in 1987 and not in 1971. The Tayacs lived in Oxon Hill, Maryland from 1961 to 1987.

Page 10, paragraph 6 - The Wesorts and the Alice Ferguson Foundation vehemently opposed and lobbied against the bill for the burial of Chief Turkey in Moyoane. Turkey had a well-made and finished coffin, not a wooden box without a lid. He was carried to the grave site in that coffin. Once at the grave site, Turkey was laid to sleep in a body bag. The body bag had been cut open for verification, to ensure that it was in fact Turkey, before he was laid to sleep in the ground.

Many Indians have a Christian name and a Native name. Chief Bill Eagle Feather from the Lakota Rosebud Indian Reservation in South Dakota also has a Christian name of Bill Schweigman. This is a very common practice among Indian people. Chief Eagle Feather was a respected Lakota Chief and medicine man, as well as a personal family friend. He was a Lakota not a Dakota as Brown erroneously asserts.

Page 10, paragraph 6 - Page 11, paragraph 3 - The Wesorts were not involved in the process. Turkey had selected Billy many years previously and stated so in his will and in newspaper interviews prior to 1975.

Page 11, paragraph 4 - Our blood ties are Piscataway and not Wesort. Chief Turkey signed affidavits that the Wesorts were not Piscataway and not one prior to 1974 can produce any proof of Piscataway descent. Father John Brady's affidavit confirms this fact.

Page 11, paragraph 2 - Billy Tayac selected Lilly Proctor as a candidate to be a clan mother because of physical defects inside their family due to in-breeding. However, she never took her final vows and neither did Regina Gray another clan mother candidate. These were not Piscataway clan mothers. Rather, the clan system was introduced to discourage the in-breeding, because the in-breeding causes very short teeth that are imbedded within the gums. (See Dr. Witkop's report in which Lilly Proctor and her daughter Mervin Savoy were involved.)

Page 12, paragraphs 1; 4 - Hugh Proctor stated in a divorce affidavit in the 1950's that he was a Negro. So, how does he know anything about Indian traditions?

Factionalism and Feuding

Page 12, paragraphs 3; 5 - A Prince George's County court signed validation of a settlement between the parties over the assets stated that the Piscataway name stayed with the Tayac group and that Hugh Proctor's group could not use the name, history of the Piscataway Indians or the Tayac family. Presently, an $8.5 million law suit is pending on this matter. The loophole is that the State of Maryland, through a recognition process, would over rule the court's previously held decisions.

Page 13, paragraph 2 - PIN has stated that Moyoane (the land across the Potomac from Mount Vernon) belongs to the tribe and not to the corporation Piscataway Indians, Inc. Hugh Proctor and Mervin Savoy have no ties to Moyoane and have stated many times publicly that it means nothing to them.

Page 13, paragraph 4 - The League of Indigenous Sovereign Nations (LISN) is an organization comprised of Native nations within this hemisphere and many Native individuals. LISN has met with United Nations representatives, as well as, ambassadors from Canada, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Columbia on Native human rights issues that have occurred inside these countries. LISN has become the flash point for these international and domestic concerns. There are over 40 million Natives within the western hemisphere that do not have a voice in mankind. However, there are U.N. member countries that have only 50,000 people that do have a voice and a vote within the U.N. There have been many hemispheric Native conferences on this same issue.

The Fight for Recognition

Page 13, paragraph 6 - The Piscataway Indian Nation's sovereign right is to determine its own membership and the state cannot force any individuals onto the Nation's roles. For example, South Dakota cannot determine who is a Lakota. Only the Lakota people can do that, otherwise it is an illegal act. Mr. Brown sees Indians as belonging to tribes, but Indians see themselves as belonging to nations.

Page 13, paragraph 6; page 14, paragraph 1 - Ms. Savoy's petition, a.k.a. the Wesort's petition is riddled with untruths that have been pointed out to Maryland officials. Previously, Mr. Brown stated that the Wesorts ran Chief Turkey off their land in 1937 when he wanted to establish Indian schools, since there weren't any in the State of Maryland. Ms. Savoy, in the Wesort's petition, claimed there were Indian schools in the 20th century in Southern Maryland which is a lie that they can't prove.

Page 14, paragraph 2 - There are 103 tribally enrolled Piscataways that can prove their identity and the Tayac family has never lived in Accokeek. Their "facts", as usual, are untrue. Thomas Eagle Bear is an Apache Indian that was adopted into my family, but is not an enrolled Piscataway.

Page 14, paragraph 6 - 7 - Neither Mervin Savoy nor her family can produce any documents, newspaper clippings or anything else that states they identified as Piscataway Indians or Indians prior to 1974. Savoy's supporting affidavits start in 1976. See Father Brady's affidavit. Mervin Savoy and her family were at the St. Joseph's meetings.

"These people didn't even have a feather" meant that they did not have anything that identified them through the centuries as an Indian. Their parents, grandparents, and family never claimed Indian identity. Even Mervin's grandmother stated to Billy Tayac that she and her family did not know who or what they were racially.

Page 14, paragraph 7; page 15, paragraph 1 - The Tayac genealogy records do not show that all three factions are related. However, Mervin Savoy uses our records for legitimacy. None of her family, not even the grand parents, knew Chief Turkey or his family. Seems strange in this tight community that they did not know Chief Turkey.

Page 15, paragraph 3 - Chief Turkey never received his chiefdomship from any Indian from Montana - lie. Chief Bill Eagle Feather was one of the most prominent spiritual people of the 20th Century. Turkey and Bill made a pact that whoever died first, the other would come and bury him. When Chief Eagle Feather died, the Tayac family journeyed to South Dakota to help bury him.

Today many Native people practice the sacred Sun Dance in Canada and the U.S. It is not a Plains Indian rite, but is meant for all Indians. It is practiced by Navajos in Arizona; Crees, Mohawks, Ojibwa, Anishinabe in Canada and the U.S. Many South and Central American Natives travel to the U.S. to participate. However, we also practice the Awakening of Mother Earth, Green Corn, Feast of the Dead and Mid-Winter ceremonies, and have name giving, marriages and burial rites. Yet, these individuals who have no Native culture or spirituality criticize us. They are envious and are spiritually and culturally barren.

Page 15, paragraph 1 - Turkey's written language on pieces of scrap papers were affirmed by Algonquin scholars and his identity was confirmed by Dr. Speck in the 1920's , Dr. William H. Gilbert in the 1930's - 1940's and Yves Goddard, the noted Smithsonian scholar.

We were seeking people of Indian descent and when it came to proving this identity, the Proctor and Savoy groups could not do this when we were applying for state and federal recognition in the 1970's.

People in the Piscataway-Conoy Indians Incorporated (PCI) were made up of many different native and non-native peoples. Board member Manny and Romie Encines were Yaqui Indians from Arizona; the Al Lynch family was from Haliwa North Carolina; Rudy Hawk, a Seneca from upstate New York, Buddy Hunt and the Earl Brooks family were Lumbees from North Carolina; Henry Niesie, a white University of Maryland professor are a few examples. Many Powhatan Indians from Virginia attended classes and functions. The PCI was one of several organizations generated by the American Indian Movement Project of Resurrection of Indians in the East.

Page 15, paragraphs 2 - 3 - Many non-Indians posed as Indians on the Commission with no verification required e.g. George Foster, Joseph Strickle, his daughter Bobbie Little Bear and Rose Powhatan all of whom we proved were non-Indians. Why should "wannabe Indians" have the right to verify Native people?

George Foster is cited many times in Mr. Brown's report, but he is not an Indian. Billy Tayac exposed him to the Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs, the Maryland Senate and the Maryland House of Delegates. Foster's primary objective for being on the Commission was to certify himself as an American Indian in order to get a $1.5 million preferential minority grant to stock the Chesapeake Bay with Rock fish that were greatly endangered. Mr. Foster claimed Salish and then Squamish from Washington State. However, Salish is a language group and the Squamish people never heard of him. He did not get the minority preferential grant because he was exposed as a white, greedy man. Where is George now? He faded from the scene, but Tom Brown likes to cite him.

Mr. Brown cites Ms. Kemper on page 15, paragraph 2. Ms. Kemper was the attorney for Mervin Savoy's group that wanted a separate division of the assets from the Piscataway Indians, Inc. which was denied by the Prince George's County courts.

Page 16, paragraph 2 - If a member of the Piscataway Indian Nation (PIN) marries outside of the tribe, the spouse never becomes a Piscataway Indian, but the children, through the blood lines are, regardless of the race of the non-Piscataway parent. We do not endorse the governmental guidelines that are mentioned in the referenced paragraph of Brown's paper.

Page 16, paragraphs 2 - 3 - Many people in all areas of the United States, Canada, and Mexico may share common names with other races within the broader community e.g. the white Washingtons and the black Washingtons around the Mount Vernon area of Virginia;. the white Calverts and the black Calverts of St. Mary's County and the white Browns and the black Brown families of New Jersey.

Page 16, paragraph 4 - We were black listed by the MCIA and did not attend meetings for 3 - 5 years because of the back lash from the exposed non-Indians of the Commission.

Page 16, paragraph 5; page 17 - Ms. Savoy primarily represents her family and people to whom she promised gambling benefits.

Page 18, paragraph 2 - The Piscataway Indian Nation (PIN) was never interested in governmental grants, but took some in the 1970's to assist the needs. However, since 1978, the PIN has neither taken nor applied for one cent of government grants. Savoy's PCCS and the Maryland Indian Heritage Society (MIHS) are the ones that seek grant money.

Page 18, paragraph 3 - Billy Tayac never told Judson Garrett from the State's Attorney office secretly or otherwise that PIN was seeking grant money. Our records prove that. Neither have we sought any federal benefits.

Page 18, paragraph 4 - The MCIA at the time of passage of the PCCS petition was heavily laden with phoney Indians - Rose Powhatan, Bobbie Little Bear and others friendly to Savoy. Even the Housing Secretary had serious questions on this matter, as did the Recognition Advisory Committee on the PCCS petition. Their genealogist wouldn't approve the PCCS petition and wrote a dissenting opinion.

Discussion: Cultural Stereotyping and the Legal Process

Page 18, paragraphs 7 - 8; page 19 paragraphs 1 - 3 - The land issue has been an issue for over 50 years - prior to any land claims of the 1970s for the PIN.

Page 19, paragraphs 4 - 7 - Savoys group has always been after grants and gambling.

Page 19, paragraphs 8 - 10; page 20 paragraphs 1 - 6 - Many hobbyists (non-Indians) hold pow-wows and pretend to be Indians. So, real Indians are not the only ones to hold powwows. However, PIN conducts sacred ceremonies including the Sun Dance which was brought east by Chief Frank Fools Crow (Lakota), the most holy Native man of the 2nd half of the 20th century, and he brought it to Tayac Territory.

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#6 Jan-07-2013 12:55:pm

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Geez!  Brown will have to answer this stuff.  However, I don't see anything in it which goes to the heart of the matter.  Even if Brown made every mistake they say he did, in this rebuttal, none of the statements selected for rebuttal has anything to do with the Tayacs' ancestry.  The writer says, more than once, that this or that particular Wesort person denied that he or she or them were Indians.  Also, that William H. Gilbert went to various Wesort homes, accompanied by Turkey Tayac, and these folks said they weren't Indians.  Why then, did Gilbert write, in 1948, "...there is a fairly large-size group called the Wesorts in southern Maryland, in Charles and Prince Georges Counties, who claim a part-Indian descent..."?  I haven't read Brown's paper, so I have to wonder how much more was in it that received no rebuttal.

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#7 Jan-07-2013 01:00:pm

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It might be helpful to get hold of William H. Gilbert, Jr.'s article, "The Wesorts of southern Maryland, an outcasted group," in the Journal of the Washington Academy of Science, vol. 36, No. 1, January (1945), pages 237-246.

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#8 Jan-07-2013 01:30:pm

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I can not for the life of me find Browns paper online. I can see that it was hosted at Lamar University but nothing comes up.

It seems (to me) that both of these rebuttals against Browns paper are just side stepping and don't even address ancestry/genealogy. Which speaks volumes to me.

There was a conversation in a google group, that stated there would be a 30 page rebuttal by Gabrielle Tayac against the Sims paper. Nothing has been said that I have been able to find.

The closest I can get to Brown's opinions is an article here: http://ww2.somdnews.com/stories/080307/ … 2124.shtml   written in 2007

I'll come back to edit if/when I find the elusive paper and mysterious Sims rebuttal.

Edit: Will look for Gilbert's article as well.

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#9 Jan-08-2013 09:20:am

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Brown Paper: http://web.archive.org/web/200703161108 … TAWAY.HTML
Note: webarchive so may take long to load.

Gilbert Article: Gilbert's article looks like interlibrary loan material. I did find this which references the one mentioned above. Search Wesorts within text. January 1946
http://archive.org/stream/journalofwash … 3/mode/2up

Sims' rebuttal: Nothing yet!

If no one has a problem, I think I'm moving this thread.

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#10 Jan-08-2013 01:17:pm

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Okay by me.

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#11 Jan-08-2013 08:14:pm

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Re the above "rebuttal":

I have not tried to read the whole thing, but I did see something in the very first point to which I must respond, and which suggests that a whole lot of very detailed fact-checking and contextualization will be required to adequately deal with the claims and counter-claims in this whole matter.   

In the very first point ("page 3 paragraph 7"):

"The Wesorts did not organize as Piscataway-Conoy Indians in the 1970's. Rather, that was the name of the non-profit organization that was incorporated in 1974 by Billy Tayac, Chief Turkey Tayac, and Avery Lewis, a Pima Indian. The title of the corporation was suggested by Claudia Newooski, an Indian woman who worked for the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)."

I would be willing to bet that if one were to try to locate this "Claudia Newooski, an Indian woman who worked for the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)", they would be unsuccessful. 

That is, I would also bet that the person referenced was Clydia Nahwooksy. Clydia was Oklahoma Cherokee, married to Reaves Nahwooksy, Comanche. Clydia was my boss at the Smithsonian's Indian Awareness Program, 1970-1974; it was thru Reaves that I was introduced to Comanches. That she was mis-remembered as "Claudia Newooski" is understandable: "Nahwooksy" is an uncommon enough name inside, let alone outside of Oklahoma. "Clydia" was often mis-remembered as Claudia. But yes, she was named after this white guy who, in the early 1930s,  used to show up at the family place in the Cookson Hills and leave mason jars full of cash money under the bed. You might know the one, Clyde something ...

While we worked closely with  the BIA on a number of programs [including Trail of Broken Treaties:that was our tipi on the front lawn, at no time did Clydia [or I] work for the Bureau. Before coming to the SI in 1969, Clydia worked for the IHS; after leaving the SI in late 1973, she formed CANA ("Culture and Arts of Native America") an independent arts organization. Reaves worked for HUD, and was transferred to Oklahoma City in 1979. He retired in the mid-80s, and both he and Clydia took Doctors of Divinity degrees. Both passed away several years ago.   

Clydia and Reaves, and I peripherally, were among DC area Indian Federal employees who socialized and, to use more contemporary terms, "networked" together. I remember Carl Vicenti (Jicarilla) [his kids Carson and Cary worked for me at the Festival], Janice and Dan Bigbee (Janice was Comanche), and Fred and LaDonna Harris. Thus the reference, "At a social in Avery Lewis' home"; I think I remember Avery, but I don't think I was ever at his house. I don't know if the Tayacs were socially involved in this network, but certainly National and local Indian policies were discussed. [This group wrote the "Cultural Affairs" portion of the 1976 Congressional American Indian Policy Review Commission Final Report; I remember us sitting around Clydia's living room, tossing out ideas.]

[I have recently discovered that some of our activities at the Smithsonian have recently been recounted by William Walker in both his PhD dissertation at Brandeis, and in an article, "We Don't Live like That Anymore": Native Peoples at the Smithsonian's Festival of American Folklife, 1970-1976", American Indian Quarterly, Fall 2011.]

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Thank you for that tk!

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I guess this is as good a spot as any to post this:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14131487/Hist_P … 734_03.pdf

It should be pointed out that Leah C. Sims is Thomas Brown's wife.  Brown believes strongly in the administrative BAR/BIA process of recognition.  His faith in that process is misplaced, sometimes, in my opinion.  For instance, he felt they did a good job of researching the Ramapough petitions.  I have read both those findings and the great majority of documentary evidence I posted at this forum (and more, besides) was NOT found by either the BAR genealogist nor their historian nor their anthropologist.  So, while Brown's and Sims' own research looks solid--and must be answered point-by-point, instead of with charges of "racism"--Brown's own reliance on the BAR/BIA exhibits no more than blind faith.  Finally, this Sims paper must be accepted as close to the truth as one can get through documentary research, if no serious reply is given to it.  Are the Tayacs American Indians?  Maybe.  Modern DNA testing could verify this.  Is their family history accurate?  I don't see how, after reading this.

I have to read this about 3 times. It talks about Turkey falsely identifying his grandmother as a Pugh. The Pughs are a Nanticoke family of  possible Conoy descent. Turkey would of known this by his long association with my tribe.
I never received this document when a Maryland official was sending me stuff on them.hmm


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#14 Nov-26-2013 08:58:am

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"he felt they did a good job of researching the Ramapough petitions."

Almost none of the extensive evidence I posted at the thread, "Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians," was in the three BAR reports.  Yeah, they did a real "good job."   hmm

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sschkaak wrote:

"he felt they did a good job of researching the Ramapough petitions."

Almost none of the extensive evidence I posted at the thread, "Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians," was in the three BAR reports.  Yeah, they did a real "good job."   hmm

I haven't read any of their other "studies" yet. I just picked up that little "tidbit".

The Ramapoughs had some serious political opposition. You know the study was going to be sloppy. The "Red State of New Jersey" would not be too happy about a tribe that only answers to the Federal Government. They are going to prevent this at whatever cost.


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Did Frank Speck do a study on the Wesorts? The only thing I have is Indians of the Eastern Shore of Maryland by F.G. Speck when he spoke before the Eastern Shore Society in 1922. He states
"Another small remnant of the Conoy is reported from Prince George and Charles Counties, Maryland, southeast of Washington. Mr. Mooney considered these to be descendants of the Piscataway band which was christened by Lord Baltimore's colonists in 1634. Another small group is reported from Port Tobacco, Maryland, but the numbers of these 2 bands have never been taken."


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#17 Nov-26-2013 11:17:am

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Not that I know of.  They're a bit out of my area of study.  I only know of them from this article:

"Surviving Indian Groups of the Eastern United States," by William Harlen Gilbert, Jr., in ANNUAL REPORT OF THE SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION, Washington, D.C. (1948); and, the other article by Gilbert, referenced above.

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#18 Nov-26-2013 02:47:pm

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"But yes, she was named after this white guy who, in the early 1930s,  used to show up at the family place in the Cookson Hills and leave mason jars full of cash money under the bed. You might know the one, Clyde something ..."

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#19 Nov-26-2013 02:52:pm

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Beats jars of pickles all to Hell!   smile

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#20 Nov-26-2013 03:01:pm

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#21 Nov-26-2013 03:27:pm

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I was wondering if anyone would pick up on this. ;-)

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#22 Nov-26-2013 03:30:pm

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lol That is all..

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#23 Nov-26-2013 03:37:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

Not that I know of.  They're a bit out of my area of study.  I only know of them from this article:

"Surviving Indian Groups of the Eastern United States," by William Harlen Gilbert, Jr., in ANNUAL REPORT OF THE SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION, Washington, D.C. (1948); and, the other article by Gilbert, referenced above.

That was the Frank Speck work that said we had Lenape blood and pointed me in that area of research. Before I read that I thought we were straight up Nanticoke/Assateague/Choptank with some Conoy thrown in.
  I've been thinking about that Pugh claim. I don't think that was accidental. The Pughs were recluses and "Baybillies" by their own definition. They even stayed away from other Nanticokes. None of them would of came out of the woodwork and called Turkey's bluff. He would of knew this.
The Pughs were mixed up with the Newcombs and Norwoods, and with the Millers here in New Jersey, but I don't remember any Proctors being in their bloodlines.
  I knew all those reclusive old timers. I enjoyed their company more than I enjoyed people my own age and my grandpop enjoyed them as much as I did so he would take me to see them and I use to listen to them. Walter Pugh was one of them. He was the family patriarch who knew all the history and stories. He never talked about any relatives or associations in Maryland.
  I don't think this was a mistake. I think Turkey knew what he was saying to connect himself with a Conoy family.


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#24 Nov-26-2013 11:19:pm

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tk wrote:

I was wondering if anyone would pick up on this. ;-)

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#25 Nov-26-2013 11:22:pm

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NanticokePiney wrote:

sschkaak wrote:

Not that I know of.  They're a bit out of my area of study.  I only know of them from this article:

"Surviving Indian Groups of the Eastern United States," by William Harlen Gilbert, Jr., in ANNUAL REPORT OF THE SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION, Washington, D.C. (1948); and, the other article by Gilbert, referenced above.

That was the Frank Speck work that said we had Lenape blood and pointed me in that area of research. Before I read that I thought we were straight up Nanticoke/Assateague/Choptank with some Conoy thrown in.
  I've been thinking about that Pugh claim. I don't think that was accidental. The Pughs were recluses and "Baybillies" by their own definition. They even stayed away from other Nanticokes. None of them would of came out of the woodwork and called Turkey's bluff. He would of knew this.
The Pughs were mixed up with the Newcombs and Norwoods, and with the Millers here in New Jersey, but I don't remember any Proctors being in their bloodlines.
  I knew all those reclusive old timers. I enjoyed their company more than I enjoyed people my own age and my grandpop enjoyed them as much as I did so he would take me to see them and I use to listen to them. Walter Pugh was one of them. He was the family patriarch who knew all the history and stories. He never talked about any relatives or associations in Maryland.
  I don't think this was a mistake. I think Turkey knew what he was saying to connect himself with a Conoy family.

I surely would like to see a photograph of those Newcombs! tongue

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